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    Absolute! That was the first Hanake film I saw. A little late to the parade I was.
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    Magic Hour (2015)
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    A Venice Beach crime caper of the 'fall in with the wrong crowd' sort.
    For the most part it's a solid/competent movie with better than usual unknowns doing the acting.
    It suffers a third reel dissipation, mostly centered around C. Thomas Howell, who was apparently the 'big name' they could afford.
    Non-essential diversion.
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    A Short Film About Execution (2017)

    18 minute short film that uses transcripts of the last words of several folks on the gurney just before they get executed.
    It drew me in by the second person, and after that I was primed for the message.
    I think it was wonderful that people made this short film.
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    David Lynch: The Art Life (2016)

    I for one enjoyed this doc a lot. The thing itself is Lynchian in layout . . . but what really turned me on was the abundance of early life film and stills.
    And of course, some of the more 'unsettling' images as well.
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    Alien: Covenant (2017)

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    i am a fan of the whole series.

    and i was pleasantly surprised. i feared the worst, after reading several shattering reviews.

    i like it better than Prometheus, i could never connect with that one.
    But i could with this one.

    the walter/david stuff was fantastic. so great in acting.
    A very deserving origin story for the Xenomorph.
    Of course there is the horror element, kind of familiar, of course, this is not the first rodeo for Gigers creation.
    But it is more than horror.
    i would go as far as saying it transcends the horror genre.
    there is no ripley, BUT the characters i can connect with.

    Fascinated even by Water/David.

    it has something of the "alien" touch again.
    and it gives explanations (not to Prometheus) that i never would have expected.

    country roads, take me home...and they do.

    7/10

    PS: of course the movie has inconsistencies. weak minutes. so what?
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    The Wizard of Lies (2017)
    TV-MA - 2h 13min - Biography, Crime, Drama
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    Michelle Pfeiffer, Robert De Niro, Hank Azaria
    When my father (law enforcement) told me he had walked out on "The Godfather" because he was disgusted by the 'glorification' of scumbags, I said something along the lines of 'it's just a movie'. But now, as with many things, I understand what he meant. When a vile scumbag is made the focus of a movie, no matter what terrible things he or she has done, regardless of how truthfully the misdeeds are presented, it is glorification, because that's the way we have always seen movies: the world where 'bigger than life' heroes and anti-heroes dwell. Possibly newer generations do not see 'film/movies' that way, but I 'can't not' and I find myself resenting the idea that a scumbag like Madoff will have taken some satisfaction, some pleasure out of the fact that he was played by Robert DeNiro, who was the only reason I would watch anything more about this asshole.
    "Hey Bernie! Says here you're being played by Jack Black!".
    That would've made me happy.
    Bundy, Manson, Nixon: all assholes should be played by recognizably incompetent actors.
    And spell their names wrong.
    Trumff can be played by Pauly Shore.
    The movie does a better job of creating sympathy for his family than 'the facts' do (Poor Michelle), which of course, is suspicious.
    It is extremely well made and has some very good performances, moments and lines.
    I guess I had a similar reaction. There are some excellent performances, especially Michelle Pfeiffer, some nice moments, but the movie itself left me with a ho-hum. I wanted to see it mainly because DeNiro wasn't playing a cop or a gangster, which is rare, but his Madoff wasn't really that different from most of the characters he plays. I thought the last 3 or 4 minutes were his best scenes in the film. I don't know if any of the characters resembled their real-life counterparts, nor do I really care. I don't look to movies for literal truth. I just judge them as movies and, on that scale, this was maybe a 6 or a 7. Let's make it 7 since I'll give it an extra point for Pfeiffer.

    By the way, I shared your dad's reaction to the Godfather. It seems that more and more, over the last 30 years or so, we, as moviegoers, are constantly being put in a position where we are rooting for characters we would go out of our way to avoid in real life. I've never had the urge to see that movie a second time. Come to think of it, I have the same feeling about several of DeNiro's more celebrated films, like The Deer Hunter (maybe it's just because I loathe war movies). And I would run 10 miles in the opposite direction to avoid ever seeing 30 seconds of Taxi Driver again. I know, I've committed sacrilege. Time to stop.
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    KEDi - 2017 - 6/10

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    Lightweight “documentary” for masochists. Oops, excuse me, cat lovers.
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    Camera follows several cats living in Istanbul.
    Humans care for them, declare how amazing they are.
    Felines lead a merry life in an exotic locale.
    Nothing negative whatsoever in this.

    Cat people should purr happily watching this.
    Captures feline personalities and activities.
    I have been to Istanbul and can assure you many cats there are like these.
    At an outdoor cafe, a big orange tom sat next to me and kept thumping my leg when he wanted more food.
    In another bistro, a cat curled up beside Zelda and slept, happy with the warmth.
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    John Wick 2

    Quite a gunshot cump!lation here.

    And I would run 10 miles in the opposite direction to avoid ever seeing 30 seconds of Taxi Driver again.
    I know, I've committed sacrilege.
    And here's your penance!

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    You rascal! You tried to trick me into watching it again, this time with audio commentary. I'm wise to your tricks.

    I wasn't denying the quality of the movie. In fact, "Travis Bickle" has entered my vocabulary to describe those festering in anger and isolation all over the country. It's just that, having taken that ride once, I see no reason to take it again.
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    John Wick: Chapter 2 (2017)
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    Keanu Reeves, Ian McShane, Laurence Fishburne, John Leguizamo, Franco Nero, Peter Stormare, Lance Reddick
    Secret superhero assassin society flicks are fun when played within the parameters of the reality they set for themselves.
    "Wanted" (2008) did it well, so did the first "John Wick".
    The 'mythology' behind each of them is cool to consider.
    "Wanted" was not spoiled by an overdone sequel. "John Wick" now has been.
    Embarrassment of riches or inability to resist excess, either one, or both, applies.
    Technically: Wow.
    It's big, slick and shiny and everybody gets full marks for craftsmanship. The Hong Kong action choreography masters give you your money's worth to the point of tedium. I would recommend watching it like a series of videos, taking a break after each gauntlet. Reeves is to be commended for his athleticism and his choreography memory. He has a much more plausible physical presence than garden gnome Cruise. A difference is that when Cruise opens his mouth, he sometimes sounds believable.
    Essentially this is a 'slaughter ballet' shooter game on autoplay, running the gamut from silly to ludicrous.
    But you can't take your eyes off it because you might miss something.
    Spoiler: This time they leave the damn dog alone.
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    Remember some of the outstanding techniques film noir directors used to get around the Hays Code and still make someone getting shot a serious event?

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    radioguy46 - Uhm,... okay... give me a minute while I comport myself from the double dose of WTF moments I'm having from your last comments. So casually dismissive of 'Taxi Driver' and 'The Deer Hunter.' Wow. No love for war movies. So 'The Pianist,' 'Schindler's List,' 'Platoon,' 'Apocalypse Now,' 'Saving Private Ryan,' 'Full Metal Jacket,' 'Fury,' 'Inglorious Bastards,' etc, and etc, - do not impress you in the least, huh? And as I'm waiting on baited breath to see 'Dunkirk,' those trailers wouldn't even make you bat an eye, eh? I can't even process that. War Movies is so my genre. Where else can you see a better example of the curious dichotomy of man, in extreme circumstances, rising to the occasion to be his absolute best played out against man descending to the lowest level at his absolute worst?
    I have grown a bit jaded towards DeNiro's acting style, not because I don't think he's talented but it's that I know he has the goods so it's no surprise when he delivers. And he does not disappoint in 'The Wizard of Lies.' I give the movie a strong 8 out of 10. I thought he, Michelle Pfieffer, and Hank Azaria were terrific. I found the film compelling. I couldn't take my eyes off it. And I'm a guy with over four decades of movie-watching experience. I'm a huge movie buff. I've also grown quite selective these days of what I spend my time downloading. Quite a few films I've snagged from Bolt, I find myself angry at the guy who posted it. (Why would you waste time uploading this crap!) Too regularly, I'm finding myself bored half way through. It's like I've seen it all before! 'The Wizard of Lies' is not one of those movies. I would contend I enjoyed it almost as much as 'Wolf of Wall Street.' Like I said, strong 8.
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    War movies...(and violent movies in general)

    When I was a kid, when a soldier got shot, he fell down.
    You'd come out of a theater feeling patriotically proud of your country and of John Wayne.
    And 'we' would compare notes on 'the coolest death.'
    Now, we get graphic presentations of the damage done.
    I don't like war movies the same way anymore.
    I'm fully aware now that I used to like war movies for the wrong reasons.
    'Strength and honor!', heroes and villains, cut and dried duty of patriotism and citizenship.
    It wouldn't take much of a conspiracy push to make me think I was being groomed for canon fodder when needed. My father said that the notion of war as an inevitable rite of passage for an American boy, as I saw it, didn't exist when he was growing up.
    Slowly but surely 'they' started pushing for more realism.
    Some, because they knew the truth about war and combat and knew that studios were putting out drivel, some because they know the public needs its envelope pushed to keep it buying tickets.
    I think it's better to tell the truth, the ugly truth.
    Combat is ugly, brutal and now that the truth is almost commonplace (if it turned the majority of audiences off and they quit watching,'they' wouldn't go so far anymore), it serves a different purpose.
    Sam Fuller famously said the only way to make a real war movie was to have a sniper behind the screen taking occasional shots at the audience.
    Someone else said what they need is the smell of the insides of people.
    By the seventies, war movies became horror movies and I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't think there should be any romantic illusions.
    Do I really want to see more? My new criteria, I measure the potential of seeing history presented accurately against my natural instinct not look at something that is horrible.
    I do not 'enjoy' war movies anymore.
    I watch them because so many stories need to be honored and because the bitter pill has to be swallowed.

    I blame no one for not wanting to look at it, any of it.

    The bitter pill I won't swallow is any attempt to use of the death of an animal to get me emotionally involved with the movie.
    I guess I still haven't gotten over Bambi's mom...

    The studios did try to raise the bar:
    "12 O'Clock High" 1949, is one of the best war movies made and there's only one brief air battle in the film, most of it actual combat footage, which also set my father off: "They didn't get paid to die in a movie!".


    On the brutal truth about combat, I put up the third act of the Russian film, "Come and See" 1985, when the Nazis go about their business in Russia.

    "Inglourious Basterds" - what the hell was the point of that?!
    Full color black and white heroes and nasty nasty nazi villains as slaughter entertainment.
    Ka-ching.
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    Defining the validity of violence in a film is something akin to defining pornography, isn't it. When the point of the violence is the violence itself and nothing more, well, score one for the money-men and fetishists. But, I can understand that this is subjective. Depictions of violence in film have incredible power when used as arrows to get the director's message into the hearts of viewers. Of course, not everything filmic has to be dead serious, pardon the sad pun. There's black comedy with scenes of violence, satirical stabs at war itself, and several other valid options.

    Again, it's tough to define 'gratuitous' in this case, but hey . . . each person knows it when he sees it. One man's bloodbath is another man's amusement? I don't know, but I do know that some films simply pander to the desire for a visual orgy of violence, and at one time they were considered 'cult' movies. Now, the over-the-top is popular and fills the seats worldwide.

    The difference between Taxi Driver's violence and let's say, John Wick 2 or Denzel in The Equalizer remake . . . that difference is much more than a thin red line. Speaking of which . . .

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    radioguy46 - Uhm,... okay... give me a minute while I comport myself from the double dose of WTF moments I'm having from your last comments. So casually dismissive of 'Taxi Driver' and 'The Deer Hunter.' Wow. No love for war movies. So 'The Pianist,' 'Schindler's List,' 'Platoon,' 'Apocalypse Now,' 'Saving Private Ryan,' 'Full Metal Jacket,' 'Fury,' 'Inglorious Bastards,' etc, and etc, - do not impress you in the least, huh? And as I'm waiting on baited breath to see 'Dunkirk,' those trailers wouldn't even make you bat an eye, eh? I can't even process that. War Movies is so my genre. Where else can you see a better example of the curious dichotomy of man, in extreme circumstances, rising to the occasion to be his absolute best played out against man descending to the lowest level at his absolute worst?
    I have grown a bit jaded towards DeNiro's acting style, not because I don't think he's talented but it's that I know he has the goods so it's no surprise when he delivers. And he does not disappoint in 'The Wizard of Lies.' I give the movie a strong 8 out of 10. I thought he, Michelle Pfieffer, and Hank Azaria were terrific. I found the film compelling. I couldn't take my eyes off it. And I'm a guy with over four decades of movie-watching experience. I'm a huge movie buff. I've also grown quite selective these days of what I spend my time downloading. Quite a few films I've snagged from Bolt, I find myself angry at the guy who posted it. (Why would you waste time uploading this crap!) Too regularly, I'm finding myself bored half way through. It's like I've seen it all before! 'The Wizard of Lies' is not one of those movies. I would contend I enjoyed it almost as much as 'Wolf of Wall Street.' Like I said, strong 8.
    I was drinking my first cup of coffee as I read your post and trying to sort through that early-morning haze to compose a worthy reply. Then I read the posts by Steve and OverThere and knew they had said everything I had to say about war movies. I can only add that my aversion to them began in 1965 when a very close friend came home from Viet Nam in a box. He was 19. There was no reason for that to happen. That whole "for God and country" thing doesn't do it for me.

    As for DeNiro's movies, particularly The Deer Hunter and Taxi Driver, I never said they were not great movies. It's just that, for me, there would be no reason to see them again. I knew what they were saying on that initial viewing and I would certainly not be watching them for pleasure. I've been around too much real violence to ever think of it as entertainment. I was also not dismissing DeNiro as an actor but we could probably agree that there have been certain similarities in most of the characters he has played, at least in the ones that I have seen. These days, I find that my favorite "DeNiro movie" is probably Wag The Dog.
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    The Thin Red Line[/U], the Malick film?
    Never saw it.
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    War movies...(and violent movies in general)
    Slowly but surely 'they' started pushing for more realism.
    Ka-ching.
    This line made me remember something I read about Sam Peckinpah. When he made The Wild Bunch he thought audiences would be repulsed by the violence. That's the reaction he was going for. He was horrified at the way audiences lapped it up and demanded more. For the rest of his life, he thought that making that movie was his worst mistake. On the dvd audio commentary the two guys who are doing it tell the story of the preview screening when audiences were shouting at the screen and walking out, demanding their money back. Peckinpah was delighted. It was exactly the reaction he wanted.
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    Aw. To each his own. I'll fess up to seeing Taxi Driver at least 20 times, a dozen times in the theater over the years, and Thin Red Line about 10 or so
    but that's okay because I'm sick, eh. Anyhow . . . we have different tastes, no big thing at all.

    These days, I find that my favorite "DeNiro movie" is probably Wag The Dog.
    Hey, one of my favorite De Niro roles is Midnight Run. But with actors at that level, De Niro, Alec Guinness and others, trying to compare each one's work in their own different films is a bit of an apples and oranges thing. Man of a Thousand Faces stuff.

    War Machine (2017)

    I had a great time watching this! I know the real reviewers bristle and bother when the very mention of war and foreign policy comes up in a film. Suddenly, every director is supposed to take on the task of getting the 'right' message out there, all the while bearing the weight of killed innocents and blah, blah, blah. I had a great time! And Brad Pitt's portrayal of the General as almost a buffoon and a comic caricature sat just fine with me. I mean, at least he wasn't as absurd as the real men in the real world, right? Those oversize running shoes and ribcage-high shorts worked for me! Lotsa good lines and facial gestures.

    Forget all your need to fix the world and/or feel guilt for a while and have a great time with this one!
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    The thing about Peckinpah being horrified at audiences lapping up the violence in The Wild Bunch. Two years later Straw Dogs came out. You might say with that one he refilled the milk bowl and let 'em lap it up again. That scene near the beginning of The Wild Bunch with the scorpion and the ants. He knew exactly what he was doing when he filmed the violence in his films and I believe he got exactly the reaction he planned for and wanted.
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    I would tend to agree with you about Peckinpah knowing exactly what he was doing. It's difficult to think he could be that naive.
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